If you have the time, I think you will enjoy this Boyce interview of Victoria lawyer Jim Heller.

Heller was an original member of the Maharaj Ji cult. He became a lawyer in the process of de-culting with mildly left-liberal views. The tepid response to 9/11 by the Left served as a wake-up call and he eventually became a Trump supporter (in reaction to the scandal that was Hillary Clinton). He then discovered Wokism which he views as a recent phenomena. I disagree with him on that point as well as his view that the Woke are the Left. None-the-less, I think the interview could stimulate some good discussion. Here is the link: